{"id":7016,"date":"2007-11-24T23:15:52","date_gmt":"2007-11-24T22:15:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/?p=7016"},"modified":"2013-04-25T19:03:36","modified_gmt":"2013-04-25T17:03:36","slug":"albert-maysles-50-years-of-reality-cinema","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/?p=7016","title":{"rendered":"Albert Maysles &#8211; 50 Years of Reality Cinema"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>An interview with <strong>Albert Maysles<\/strong> by <strong>Roberto Rippa<\/strong><\/strong><\/span><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Albert Maysles&#8217; pictures by <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.diblasi.ch\/\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Donato Di Blasi<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2193 aligncenter\" title=\"Albert Maysles01\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/01xx.jpg\" alt=\"Albert Maysles01\" width=\"620\" height=\"645\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/01xx.jpg 620w, https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/01xx-288x300.jpg 288w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>You, along with your brother David, are considered the developers of the so-called \u201creality cinema\u201d. You studied psychology in Boston and then filmed your first documentary <em>Psychiatry in Russia<\/em> in 1955. What made you decide to work on this form of cinema in the first place?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I think I\u2019m an adventurer and at that time, in 1955, I think it was an adventure to go behind the Iron Curtain, in the Soviet Union, and so when I developed plans to do that at home, because I\u2019m a psychologist, I thought I should investigate mental health and then I thought: \u201cIf I\u2019m gonna do that then I should record this to pass it on to other people.\u201d So I thought I would take photographs but then I thought it would be better to make a motion picture and so I borrowed a 16 mm movie camera, got to Russia and made my first film.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>How did you succeed in going behind the Iron Curtain at that time, considering that you are an American citizen?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Well, it was easy, although most people didn\u2019t notice, to get a thirty-day tourist visa. That was easy. But once I was in Russia I crashed a party, a Romanian embassy party, where I was told I could possibly meet top Soviet leaders, so one of them, at the very very top, became very friendly and he gave me permission.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>It is known that you invented highly portable cameras to work with minimal intrusion. How have people\u2019s reactions to the camera changed since your first works and how does this affect your way of working?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I think that we mustn\u2019t rely on people changing their behaviour, I think that we rely on the fact that people would rather disclose than to keep a secret. This is something in human nature.<br \/>\nPeople need to be recognized for what they are and so if you approach them in a kindly fashion without imposing yourself then they\u2019ll feel this kind of recognition, which is so fundamental, and they cooperate fully. This is how I gained access to people.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>So you never have difficulties in obtaining the real answer, the sincere answers . . .<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I might have difficulties, for example, with the government. Just before the Iraq war, when the soldiers were gathered in Kuwait and South Arabia I asked the American government if I could go there and be with two or three soldiers one or two days but I couldn\u2019t get permission. That sort of thing is what might stop me, otherwise I\u2019ve had a very easy time getting access.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>You filmed documentaries about many different subjects: musicians (the Rolling Stones, The Beatles), workers (<em>Salesman<\/em>), social issues (<em>Abortion: Difficult Choices<\/em>), writers (Truman Capote), directors (Martin Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Jane Campion . . .) and so on. What guides you when choosing to work on a project?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I think, if I look back, that most of the time it\u2019s been luck. When I made <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Gimme Shelter<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> about the Rolling Stones, it was a friend of mine who had met the Rolling Stones who told me that the Rolling Stones were coming to New York the next day to begin their tour. So I knocked on their door and met them. We attended the concert and I, along with my brother, decided \u201cWe should make this film!\u201d<br \/>\nAs for the Beatles it was a little bit strange: I had a call one day from Grenada Television in England. They said that the Beatles were arriving in NY in 2 hours \u201cWould you like to make a film with them?\u201d So I turned to my brother, because I didn\u2019t know who they were, he knew but I didn\u2019t. We both got on the phone and made the deal and rushed out to the airport exactly when their plane was coming down and we spent the next week with them.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2200\" style=\"width: 370px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2200\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2200\" title=\"What's Happening01\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/whats-happening-the-beatles.jpg\" alt=\"What\u2019s Happening! The Beatles in the USA\" width=\"360\" height=\"259\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/whats-happening-the-beatles.jpg 360w, https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/whats-happening-the-beatles-300x215.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2200\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">What\u2019s Happening! The Beatles in the USA<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">We made <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Grey Gardens<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> about those two reclusive women. It came about through a film we were making about on Jackie Onassis\u2019 assistant and when she introduced us to these two women we saw that the real film was with them and so we decided to make a long film on these two women. Just chance encounters . . .<br \/>\nWe made a number of films on classical music and those films were made possible by somebody who was an agent for Arrowed and Ozawa and Jessye Norman, for example. And this is how it happened.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>What\u2019s the difference between filming a documentary or a concert? How is it different for you as a director?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Oh, it\u2019s the same. We try to get as close as you can to the people that you are filming. I\u2019m always looking behind the scenes to establish a greater contact, to understand the personality, the human relationships as well as the music. It\u2019s not a secret that television commercials are mostly unsuccessful because they aren\u2019t accessible at the top of communication, one person to another. In television commercials for automobiles, for example, they race around and there\u2019s no human contact for the viewer, so you see it and then it disappears from your memory. If I were making a television commercial on an automobile I\u2019d get behind the wheel with the driver and film what the experience of driving is really like, what it\u2019s like to feel in control. That\u2019s because they don\u2019t understand the importance of the human factor and also they think that incorporating the human factor is getting away from the product. But the human factor is what makes us come in contact with the product.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>Why do they choose to use the same approach to the products?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I think that the advertising companies are most concerned in making commercials that are very expensive, so if you film in a documentary fashion, you could justify $50,000 or $100,000 but not $300,000. They spend it in very, very expensive cinematography but this cinematography has no art, no poetry, no communication behind it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>You also worked as a cinematographer for other directors . . .<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Yes. For Jean-Luc Godard, Orson Welles. We made a film about him talking about the film we were making. We never actually made the film.<br \/>\nAlso there\u2019s a film called Searching for Bobby Fisher and that director called me to film some scenes and we became good friends and in fact both he and the cinematographer for the film agreed that, having seen my footage, they would modify their way of shooting the rest of the film.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About your experience with Godard, how was it?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Oh, it was wonderful because he, more than anybody, understood how to make use of documentary cinematography. So what he did was to arrange so that the actors knew their lines, everything was properly lit, there was nothing for me to do about the scene, in fact I didn\u2019t even know what was about to take place and so I walked into the scene and just filmed it. And so it was one long take after another and always when you edit a film, even with the best editing, there\u2019s an artificiality involved in cutting from one cut to another. I think that when the camera films as such, the scene continues without a cut, the viewer feels more in control of the viewing than when editing is controlled by an editor.<br \/>\nThe Eisenstein approach to montage introduced the kind of artificiality that I think is negated by the documentarians\u2019 camera work when the shot is continuous. So, for example, normally in Hollywood filming you film a close-up, you film a wider shot, you film an establishing shot and also the editing is easier but this is not how normally people see things and so it is less credible.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>You filmed some documentaries about directors.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Yes.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>What directors do you like the most?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">I\u2019ve known Scorsese for many years and he\u2019s somebody that appreciates documentaries; he just made some himself. I remember when he made one of his documentaries he asked us to take a look at it, and making a film about him was quite special.<br \/>\nAlso Wes Anderson and Jane Campion.<br \/>\nActually my favorite films are still the old Italian neo-realist films like <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">La Strada<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">. Those films are my favorite even now, maybe because they look like documentaries.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>In the last 50 years you told a lot about the USA with your documentaries, sometimes less directly, sometimes more. What has changed mainly in creating a documentary for you?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Basically it hasn\u2019t changed. The big change took place 5 years after I made my documentary in Russia when I had in my hands much more sophisticated equipment where I could shoot scenes. Big camera but a camera I could hold on my shoulder without needing a tripod. The film was more sensitive so I didn\u2019t have to use lights and all that was required was these two people: a sound person, in that case my brother, and myself with the camera.<br \/>\nI could film almost anything. Now it\u2019s even easier to do this and you can do even more because with a little camera that costs two or three thousand dollars you don\u2019t have to hold the camera on your shoulder, your eyes are free to see not only what you\u2019re shooting but what you might want to shoot a moment later, to include in the shot.<br \/>\nInstead of very expensive film now a tape costs only three dollars, it runs for an hour so you don\u2019t have to stop filming to reload. Actually I thought a great deal about it when I made the transition from film to tape and I came up with thirty reasons to move from 16 mm to tape and I think almost anyone of those was enough to make that transition. And the quality is not 35 mm or 70 mm but what\u2019s more important to the documentary is not the high production value but the high, whatever you call it, poetic value: the value of filming real life without interfering with the people.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2196\" style=\"width: 630px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2196\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2196\" title=\"Salesman01\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/salesman-still2.jpg\" alt=\"Salesman01\" width=\"620\" height=\"317\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/salesman-still2.jpg 620w, https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/salesman-still2-300x153.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2196\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Salesman<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About <em>Salesman<\/em>: I think it tells a lot about the USA, and I\u2019m not talking just about the workers you filmed. If you filmed it today, what do you think you would find different in that peculiar situation?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">In those days, in 1968, there were 4\u2019000 men\u2014all men\u2014selling the bible around the country. Those people don\u2019t exist anymore. I don\u2019t think the Bible is being sold door-to-door.<br \/>\nIt\u2019s strange but door-to-door selling somehow has moved to Japan, where door-to-door salesmen are selling automobiles door-to-door. When I was in high school, the salesman was typified by the brush salesman and I was one of them and I also sold encyclopedias door-to-door to be able to go to college. I think that people have become more skeptical, more afraid of somebody coming into their house so that it is more difficult for a salesman to get into peoples\u2019 homes. That has changed. However, the society is still a consumer\u2019s society in America and it\u2019s still a capitalistic one and people have the notion that they could do almost anything and exercise their own will power. So the idea of the rugged individualist of those days, in 1968, was represented by the door-to-door salesman. It still prevails. In the lower class we still think that we\u2019re middle-class people and that we can easily get to that class if we only use our energies . So there\u2019s still that faith in the capitalist system. What might be a good question is \u201cto represent this kind of capitalist personality what would one show today?\u201d It\u2019s not the Bible salesman. I have to think about that. Certainly, for that time, <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Salesman<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> caught probably better than any other film what America is all about and it would be interesting to think about what would be the subject matter for today. I\u2019d have to give it some more thought. In the meantime I\u2019m still making films about Christo\u2019s work. In a sense Christo and Jeanne-Claude represent something very American.<br \/>\nI don\u2019t know if they could do their work elsewhere. One would have to ask: \u201cHow could two people achieve so much when the traditional forces of society are against them rather than for them?\u201d For every project they have to fight the government, the politics and the system, so in a way they typify the salesman who is out on his own and they certainly are on their own. When my brother and I make a film we are on our own. It\u2019s important for us to maintain our independence in making the films, to make them exactly the way we want them and we don\u2019t have to trade it to the formula that the television network write for their viewers. In America it certainly is very difficult to maintain that kind of independence and to get the support of a television network. They understand their own kind of character on each film so you loose your independence, which is the most valuable power that you have.<br \/>\nWe\u2019ve been able to maintain our independence by working with one particular channel called Home Box Office (HBO). We made three films for them and we\u2019re making the fourth, <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">The Gates<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> for them. And the commercial networks, the biggest ones (ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN), are not even interested in working with independence so there\u2019s nothing that I could make, even cooperating with them, that they would agree on.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About documentary today: I think your documentaries are very political even choosing not to use the explicit way. But nowadays they are getting more and more explicit about political issues. . .<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">It\u2019s not so good. I think that the most powerful work of art is one which doesn\u2019t deal with an issue. You look at a portrait of Rembrandt . . . what\u2019s the issue? Shakespeare . . . what\u2019s the issue?<br \/>\nThese are writers and artists who don\u2019t submit their work to a point of view. Unfortunately documentary filmmakers more and more submit themselves to a point of view. So documentary offers them an opportunity for propaganda more than a work of discovery, and in the process of becoming propaganda, they lose the ability to tell truthful stories.<br \/>\nWhen you see a film like <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Salesman<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">, the filming and the editing is totally open-minded, not trying to make anyone look any better, any worse, any worse any different from who they are.That\u2019s the kind of work that makes the film of much longer lasting values. Now it\u2019s been forty years. This film is as strongly truthful today as it was when we made it. And that could be said about <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Gimme Shelter<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">, <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Grey Gardens<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">. So that\u2019s my preference: to film non-issue. But I can see the usefulness of making some films that persuade people, about the environment.<br \/>\nI would have welcomed the idea of making a film that would have supported the Democratic party against this Bush and even now if something came up that would help to throw light on the administration, a documentary, I would do it. I am making a film, exactly an issue film, about anti-Semitism. For eight hundred years now there has been the false notion that the Jews killed Christian children to take their blood to celebrate Passover. There was a trial in 1913 in Kiev that I\u2019m making a documentary about and about all this era that even goes up to this very moment of anti-Semitism brought about by this blood-libel accusation.<br \/>\nThe Hezbollah, for example, has come out with a film that would make anybody think that Jews actually did that and there\u2019s no basis for that claim whatsoever so I feel it may answer these charges by telling the truth about them. So that\u2019s a film I\u2019m very devoted to. There\u2019s a church in Poland, a Catholic church and there\u2019s a large Renaissance painting. Anybody walking into the church would immediately see this enormous painting. It depicts a half dozen or so Jews, very tough guys with white beards and long noses. They are surrounding a barrel with males and an infant being tortured and losing all their blood, being collected by one of these guys.<br \/>\nThere are many implications connected not only to the church, but also to the Vatican under Mr. Ratzinger and nothing has been done about it and at this very moment that picture is still there. And I went to St. Mary\u2019s to film it and to film the priest who was there. He told me all about the picture not mentioning that the Jews actually didn\u2019t do that and there\u2019s no way from seeing the painting to know that it\u2019s a false image. That guy is now the Pope.<br \/>\nThat\u2019s one example of bad doing; the other one is homosexuality. There\u2019s this film that I\u2019ve been making and that is now finished about a Catholic nun who\u2019s been working with homosexuals and she\u2019s a very devoted Catholic but the church, that is Ratzinger, put a silence on her. When she went to the Vatican, and I went with her, she knocked at the door, but he wouldn\u2019t see her, wouldn\u2019t talk to her.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>This is interesting: you work in the USA mostly but your films have a meaning everywhere. Does that mean that situations are not as different as we usually think?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\">Yes, th<span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">at\u2019s right. And even though <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Salesman<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> is so much about America, anyone can identify because of this special documentary approach. The wonderful thing that happens is that no matter who you are at the time you\u2019re watching <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Salesman<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> and you\u2019re watching those people on the screen you are those people at that time, you\u2019re in their souls, you feel what it is to be a housewife besieged by a salesperson. You feel how it is to be a salesman who is, day after day, meeting failure. And you feel sad for that person, you are moved. It\u2019s not the kind of entertainment where you are just entertained for that moment and then you forget about the thing, but you\u2019re entertained in such a fashion you\u2019re engaged forever with that film. You\u2019ll never forget them. When we finished making the film we had a special screening for a hundred people and at the end of the screening people in the theatre congratulated my brother and myself. I noticed that there was one person left, a girl, who got up to leave and crossing in our direction I saw she\u2019d been crying and as she got closer I saw how attractive she was. I turned to my brother and said: \u201cShe\u2019s for me.\u201d She\u2019s my wife.<br \/>\nThere\u2019s an added benefit, you see, in making documentaries . . .<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>It was a very lucky work for you!<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">In so many ways.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About your documentaries on Christo\u2019s and Jeanne-Claude\u2019s works that you are showing in Locarno these days, what sparked your interest in them in the first place?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">In a way we are a natural fit for each other because the drawings may end up in people\u2019s homes or in museums but the project itself is not just the drawings but events that take place in the real world and as in any documentary, we don\u2019t know what is going to take place later which is the primary quality of reality. So filming Christo\u2019s works always offers the opportunity to film art in the real world. So we are a natural companion for these two people and we\u2019ve been able to make very good films because their art works are connected with the politics, social issues. One of the things that happens is that sometimes after many years four or five million people come to the project, engage themselves with the project and that engagement is the perfect matter for the film. <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">The Gates<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> project involved four or five million people from all over who came to Central Park, at a time of the year when nobody goes to the park because it\u2019s February, it\u2019s cold and what\u2019s the point?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>And then it\u2019s just the moment, an image free for all to enjoy.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">It\u2019s long enough so that many people can see it, right? And long enough so that we can make our films. And than the film becomes the permanent representation of it so that the people who saw it and want to see the film, and people who could never have the opportunity to go to the park at that time, can get a really full experience of what it was like.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>This is also the one art that you can\u2019t own . . .<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">That\u2019s right.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>What do you think are the reasons for the success that documentaries receive at the box office in these times?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Oh, the most recent ones? There are lots of reasons. Good and bad. It\u2019s interesting to speculate maybe on whether the so-called reality television programs are good or bad for the future of documentary. In my own case I find that the word reality actually is misused when it comes to television programs. In fact the media have not been very honest about telling us these stories. At first, when it was first reported about these programs, the word was used with quotation marks around it but now the quotation marks have been dropped. As if to give a special kind of respect that is not really due to that kind of moviemaking. But on the other hand I think it was inevitable just like in literature: people\u2019s reading habits have moved from fiction to non-fiction in a very significant way. I think it\u2019s inevitable that documentary will take up a larger portion of people\u2019s viewing and there will be some very good films and for my taste too much of documentary filming is devoted to particular issues rather than going beyond that and that, I think, is a problem. In too many of them there\u2019s a documentary filmmaker who starts out with a particular point of view or prejudice and is blinded by that narrow point of view. So the truth telling, which I feel to be essential to calling a film a documentary, is non-fiction and it\u2019s got to be non-fiction and I think that is violated to such a point where some of the best documentary filmmakers don\u2019t even believe they can tell the truth. That\u2019s a dangerous tendency. I respect a documentary filmmaker who says \u201cI\u2019m only interested in telling the truth and I believe I can\u201d . . . not that . . . it\u2019s difficult to describe just exactly how. I can claim that I want to tell the truth because three or four filmmakers witnessing the same scene are going to come up with different films but that doesn\u2019t mean that each one is not telling the truth. Nobody is telling the whole truth but one can tell quite truthfully and factually correct a story if they\u2019re capable of doing it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>Are people affected by television language all over the world, which is basically the same everywhere, still able to recognize the truth when they see it on the screen?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Well, I think so. Recently I got a telephone call from a man in his fifties who said that he was brought up as an orphan and his life has been dedicated to trying to find his father. He wasn\u2019t successful in any way at all except that just at that time when he was calling me he had landed somebody who might tell a great deal about his father and he was about to visit this person and would I came along? So I went with him and even when he was knocking at his door I began filming and then I continued to film two or three hours because that person, who was ninety-one years old, knew everything about his father and showed him photographs and when he looked at the photographs he was just amazed how much he looked like his father.<br \/>\nHe found out that his father lived to the age of ninety-five and had only died three years before so he still was unable to meet him but that conversation, that meeting, was the most important moment in his life. Totally fulfilling.<br \/>\nYou have to be non-human in watching that footage and not to connect with it: a very strong engagement between the two of them, and between them and anybody viewing that scene. It would be that way twenty years ago and would be that way twenty years from now or a hundred years backwards or a hundred years forward.<br \/>\nThis kind of event is just a matter of being in the right place in the right time. I can tell you it was quite moving when that nun got turned down by Mr. Ratzinger and just as she left the building she turned to us and she said: \u201cWell, the church wants everybody to go by its rules; I go by my conscience\u201d.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About your brother: you worked together since your second documentary (<em>Youth in Poland<\/em>, 1957) up until 1987, when he passed away. How did you work together?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Well, in our case we had the advantage of being brothers. For many brothers it\u2019s not that way, they can\u2019t work together. But we came from a family where there was a great deal of love. My parents had a very good relationship with each other and with all the children. So, we were good at working together. I also think that what helped further is that we took on different roles: I was with the camera and my brother was with the sound. It wasn\u2019t just that technical thing that we did together, we both connected with the people that we were filming, we were both involved in raising the money and selecting the subjects. Then my brother took on the task of supervising the editing which was very positive; so, we were very good together.<br \/>\nNow I work with an Italian boy by the name of Ferrera and it\u2019s like working with my brother. Even though I\u2019ve been told that his father died when he was 3 years old so he\u2019s always been in search of a father and then, because of the loss of my brother, I\u2019m always in search of a brother so for me he\u2019s my brother and for him I\u2019m his father.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>Do your documentaries find their way to the public or is it difficult?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">There are several films that we made that ended up no place but we are now committed to showing them on DVD. There\u2019s a half-hour film, a wonderful film, that we made of Marlon Brando in the mid-sixties, when he was in his prime There\u2019s a film that we made for television on Truman Capote that hasn\u2019t been shown since then and we\u2019re going to show that on DVD. And a film that has never been shown, a half hour film on Muhammad Ali when he was training for his last fight.<br \/>\nYou know, it\u2019s interesting, here in Locarno there are more Orson Welles\u2019 films than I could ever imagine that are being shown. Well, my brother and I made an Orson Welles\u2019 film. And unfortunately we didn\u2019t know they were going to be shown, we would have given ours. It\u2019s a ten-minute film that we made as a result of having met\u00a0Orson Welles by chance in Cannes in 1963 and almost immediately meeting him he had heard of us and he invited us to Madrid and so we spent a week in Madrid going to bullfights and so on. But as we were there with him he began to talk about how we should make a film together and this little film is that conversation. And so you see clearly in the film how people work with a documentary filmmaker.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><strong>About DVDs: you own the rights for your documentaries. Are you planning to publish your films independently, through your production company, or are you planning to work with Criterion, who has published <em>Salesman<\/em>, <em>Grey Gardens<\/em> and <em>Gimme Shelter<\/em>?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Some of these films will be on DVD through Criterion. About <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">The Gates<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> we haven\u2019t decided yet how we\u2019re going to distribute it. But also I think that <\/span><em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">The Gates<\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\"> will be in cinemas as well.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><span style=\"font-weight: normal;\">Locarno, August 12, <\/span>2005<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/11\/Italy_flag_small.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8461 alignleft\" title=\"Italian_flag_small\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/11\/Italy_flag_small.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"64\" height=\"46\" \/><\/a>This interview is also available in Italian. Click <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/?p=2188\" target=\"_self\">here<\/a> to read it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\">Questa intervista \u00e8 disponibile anche in italiano. Clicca <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/?p=2188\" target=\"_self\">qui<\/a> per leggerla.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2195\" style=\"width: 630px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2195\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2195\" title=\"Gimme Shelter01\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/gimme-shelter.jpg\" alt=\"Gimme Shelter01\" width=\"620\" height=\"921\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/gimme-shelter.jpg 620w, https:\/\/www.rapportoconfidenziale.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/gimme-shelter-201x300.jpg 201w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2195\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gimme Shlelter<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\"><em>Note: this is the rough transcription of the interview that has then been translated in Italian.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;\">Images: \u00a9 Maysles Film<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interview with Albert Maysles by Roberto Rippa Albert Maysles&#8217; pictures by Donato Di Blasi You, along with your brother David, are considered the developers of the so-called \u201creality cinema\u201d. 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